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Move logs: Mid-Atlantic states
Mid-Atlantic States

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FC, Mid-Atlantic States → Mid-Atlantic states, moved, 6 February 2010, discussion
RM, Mid-Atlantic states → Mid-Atlantic States, moved to Mid-Atlantic (United States), 23 December 2017, discussion

North Carolina

in NO way would North Carolina be considered part of the mid-atlantic. mid-atlantic is defined as your usual few; new york, delaware, maryland, new jersey, etc. virginia is the limit. anything south of virginia is very south already, and cannot be considered mid-atlantic, as much as you like it. 2406:3003:2002:2D79:403D:44D1:8D69:D106 (talk) 11:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if you say so. I took the liberty to point out a few old maps. John Russel agreed with you in 1794, but thought that the Ohio territory was also a Middle State. Samuel Augustus Mitchell however disagreed in 1839, and cut the areas far away from the coast while including North Carolina. But in general you're not wrong, most maps that indicate the "Middle States" or "Mid-Atlantic" are focused on the seven states.

Closer to our time, USGS includes Northern North Carolina but says that Northern New York is not Mid-Atlantic, based on the Chesapeake watersheds.

I have also read that Connecticut also has Mid-Atlantic climate: Defining regions can be done on different indicators, with different results. --Enyavar (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Definition

Which sources "exclude Pennsylvania?" Is Pennsylvania not the only state universally agreed upon to be in the Mid-Atlantic region? 71.244.110.107 (talk) 00:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I am curious why the (new?) definition by the U.S. Department of Labour was given so much weight. As far as I know, there is also the Census Bureau, and other Departments: administrative redefinitions are not necessarily the strongest indicator of geographical redefinitions. Most other sources place New York with the Mid-Atlantic states, as well - including the Wikipedia description of the Department of Labour areas, where: "Middle Atlantic Division: New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania"; and Delaware etc. are/were South Atlantic. Anyway, NY is historically a Mid-Atlantic state.

Going just a bit into the history: this edit from last October and this edit from this February are only some parts of the attempt to shift NY out. --Enyavar (talk) 23:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Top description should include New York

Not only is New York generally included in the region even if it isn't in one link from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (but other links do, including one cited on the Wikipedia page for the bureau), but the article picture is of Lower Manhattan. So the description should indicate it as a state that is included in many definitions of the term. Beggarsbanquet (talk), Beggarsbanquet (talk) 23:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstated NY as a mid-atlantic state in the introduction. --Enyavar (talk) 13:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History section

There are multiple history sections in the introduction each with a slightly different message about why the Mid-Atlantic region is important. As well as the (smaller) actual history section further down. While it is largely unsourced, a lot of the information seems also trivial. Someone^TM should try and integrate the historical bits into one single history section and remove them from the intro. As well as finding sources for the material that may be disputed. --Enyavar (talk) 13:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]